[Allpartners.music360-beta] "AI is not theft"

[Ioan Kaes]

Dear all,

This AI debate seems to be far removed from the core of our project. The copyright vs AI debates concern large language models and that is not what this project is working on.

Several partners to this project have outspoken positions on this topic. And those do not always align. I would therefore advise to not have the Copyright vs AI debate become part of this project.

The only place AI has in the Music360* project is its ability to improve data management. Analysis and recommendations on that are welcome. Other aspects of AI might interest us, but don’t need to be imported in this project.

Kind regards,
ioan
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> On 10 Jun 2025, at 21:32, Roel Wieringa <roel at thevalueengineers.nl> wrote:
> 
> The assumption of Enrique Dans seems to be that gen-AI being trained on a large set of songs is the same as a person who has listened to the same songs as the gen-AI and then composes a song of their own.  But gen-AI generates similar songs, where the kind of similarity is determined by the algorithm and the prompt. That is not what a person does.
> 
>> -----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
>> Van: María de Miguel Molina <mademi at omp.upv.es>
>> Verzonden: dinsdag 10 juni 2025 19:51
>> Aan: Roel Wieringa <roel at thevalueengineers.nl>
>> CC: allpartners.music360-beta at listserver.vu.nl
>> Onderwerp: Re: [Allpartners.music360-beta] "AI is not theft"
>> 
>> Hi Roel,
>> 
>> The next UPV post is about this debate ;-) …allow or reject…or maybe a middle
>> point.
>> 
>> The option to remove copyright permission for AI platforms could be
>> controversial. By now, the European Union is reluctant to do it.
>> 
>> In the UK, the Government proposes to exclude copyright works in the case of
>> AI platforms (that need them to train their models). Then, the House of
>> Commons is in favour of allowing AI firms to use artists' content without
>> permission and compensation.
>> 
>> Against, the artists and the House of Lords request to add transparency
>> requirements and ensure copyright holders give (informed) permission for
>> their work to be used.
>> 
>> The reality is that some AI companies are quite opaque giving information
>> while others are trying to be transparent. I think that some information of the
>> process and trying to respect the authors gives ethical value to these
>> companies…but maybe I’m naive…
>> 
>> Best wishes,
>> María
>> ______________________
>> María de Miguel Molina
>> Catedrática de Organización de Empresas (Full Professor) Universitat
>> Politecnica de Valencia mademi at omp.upv.es
>> 
>> 
>>    El 10 jun 2025, a las 19:25, Roel Wieringa
>> <roel at thevalueengineers.nl> escribió:
>> 
>>    Folks,
>>    I guess not all of us agree with this point of view:
>> https://medium.com/enrique-dans/ai-is-not-theft-the-uk-just-got-it-right-
>> 28850f4c80a3.
>>    If we do not agree, what realistic alternative do we have?
>>    --Roel
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