[Allpartners.music360-beta] "AI is not theft"

[Roel Wieringa]

The assumption of Enrique Dans seems to be that gen-AI being trained on a large set of songs is the same as a person who has listened to the same songs as the gen-AI and then composes a song of their own.  But gen-AI generates similar songs, where the kind of similarity is determined by the algorithm and the prompt. That is not what a person does. 

> -----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
> Van: María de Miguel Molina <mademi at omp.upv.es>
> Verzonden: dinsdag 10 juni 2025 19:51
> Aan: Roel Wieringa <roel at thevalueengineers.nl>
> CC: allpartners.music360-beta at listserver.vu.nl
> Onderwerp: Re: [Allpartners.music360-beta] "AI is not theft"
> 
> Hi Roel,
> 
> The next UPV post is about this debate ;-) …allow or reject…or maybe a middle
> point.
> 
> The option to remove copyright permission for AI platforms could be
> controversial. By now, the European Union is reluctant to do it.
> 
> In the UK, the Government proposes to exclude copyright works in the case of
> AI platforms (that need them to train their models). Then, the House of
> Commons is in favour of allowing AI firms to use artists' content without
> permission and compensation.
> 
> Against, the artists and the House of Lords request to add transparency
> requirements and ensure copyright holders give (informed) permission for
> their work to be used.
> 
> The reality is that some AI companies are quite opaque giving information
> while others are trying to be transparent. I think that some information of the
> process and trying to respect the authors gives ethical value to these
> companies…but maybe I’m naive…
> 
> Best wishes,
> María
> ______________________
> María de Miguel Molina
> Catedrática de Organización de Empresas (Full Professor) Universitat
> Politecnica de Valencia mademi at omp.upv.es
> 
> 
> 	El 10 jun 2025, a las 19:25, Roel Wieringa
> <roel at thevalueengineers.nl> escribió:
> 
> 	Folks,
> 	I guess not all of us agree with this point of view:
> https://medium.com/enrique-dans/ai-is-not-theft-the-uk-just-got-it-right-
> 28850f4c80a3.
> 	If we do not agree, what realistic alternative do we have?
> 	--Roel
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