<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body style="overflow-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;">Thanks, Roel.<div><br></div><div>For me it’s ok. We normally cite the partner in the posts, but if you think that’s better I agree.</div><div><br></div><div>Best wishes,<br><div>
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<div><br><blockquote type="cite"><div>El 12 jun 2025, a las 11:21, Roel Wieringa <roel@thevalueengineers.nl> escribió:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div><div>Doing a post on this topic does not mean that it has become part of our research. Posts are not deliverables; they are merely meant to draw attention online. And I do not think posts present an official project opinion. If that were the case there should have been an editorial board who would review all posts on behalf of the project. None of us is supposed to agree with all posts. <br><br>That said, I did notice only recently that posts are not signed by the author. I think we never discussed that, and my preference is that each post has its author named at the top. We could even put a note at the bottom that the post represents the opinions and observations of the author, not of the project as a whole.<br><br>Later this year we will draw up policy recommendations for the EU and there we need to ensure that these are the recommendations of the project as a whole.<br><br>Would this distinction resolve the matter?<br>Best regards,<br>--Roel<br><br><br><br><blockquote type="cite">-----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----<br>Van: Frank Lucassen <Frank.Lucassen@bumastemra.nl><br>Verzonden: donderdag 12 juni 2025 10:56<br>Aan: Ioan Kaes <ioan.kaes@aepo-artis.org>; Roel Wieringa<br><roel@thevalueengineers.nl><br>CC: allpartners.music360-beta@listserver.vu.nl<br>Onderwerp: RE: [Allpartners.music360-beta] "AI is not theft"<br><br>I fully agree with Ioan. Let stay focussed on our project goals. That already<br>hard enough.<br><br><br>Met vriendelijk groet,<br>Frank Lucassen<br>Business Development<br>T +31 (0)23 799 7221<br>M +31 (0)6 27 16 99 18<br><br><br>-----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----<br>Van: Allpartners.music360-beta <allpartners.music360-beta-<br>bounces@listserver.vu.nl> Namens Ioan Kaes<br>Verzonden: dinsdag 10 juni 2025 23:02<br>Aan: Roel Wieringa <roel@thevalueengineers.nl><br>CC: allpartners.music360-beta@listserver.vu.nl<br>Onderwerp: Re: [Allpartners.music360-beta] "AI is not theft"<br><br>Dear all,<br><br>This AI debate seems to be far removed from the core of our project. The<br>copyright vs AI debates concern large language models and that is not what<br>this project is working on.<br><br>Several partners to this project have outspoken positions on this topic. And<br>those do not always align. I would therefore advise to not have the Copyright<br>vs AI debate become part of this project.<br><br>The only place AI has in the Music360* project is its ability to improve data<br>management. Analysis and recommendations on that are welcome. Other<br>aspects of AI might interest us, but don’t need to be imported in this project.<br><br>Kind regards,<br>ioan<br>....<br><br><blockquote type="cite">On 10 Jun 2025, at 21:32, Roel Wieringa <roel@thevalueengineers.nl><br></blockquote>wrote:<br><blockquote type="cite"><br>The assumption of Enrique Dans seems to be that gen-AI being trained on a<br></blockquote>large set of songs is the same as a person who has listened to the same songs<br>as the gen-AI and then composes a song of their own. But gen-AI generates<br>similar songs, where the kind of similarity is determined by the algorithm and<br>the prompt. That is not what a person does.<br><blockquote type="cite"><br><blockquote type="cite">-----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----<br>Van: María de Miguel Molina <mademi@omp.upv.es><br>Verzonden: dinsdag 10 juni 2025 19:51<br>Aan: Roel Wieringa <roel@thevalueengineers.nl><br>CC: allpartners.music360-beta@listserver.vu.nl<br>Onderwerp: Re: [Allpartners.music360-beta] "AI is not theft"<br><br>Hi Roel,<br><br>The next UPV post is about this debate ;-) …allow or reject…or maybe<br>a middle point.<br><br>The option to remove copyright permission for AI platforms could be<br>controversial. By now, the European Union is reluctant to do it.<br><br>In the UK, the Government proposes to exclude copyright works in the<br>case of AI platforms (that need them to train their models). Then,<br>the House of Commons is in favour of allowing AI firms to use<br>artists' content without permission and compensation.<br><br>Against, the artists and the House of Lords request to add<br>transparency requirements and ensure copyright holders give<br>(informed) permission for their work to be used.<br><br>The reality is that some AI companies are quite opaque giving<br>information while others are trying to be transparent. I think that<br>some information of the process and trying to respect the authors<br>gives ethical value to these companies…but maybe I’m naive…<br><br>Best wishes,<br>María<br>______________________<br>María de Miguel Molina<br>Catedrática de Organización de Empresas (Full Professor) Universitat<br>Politecnica de Valencia mademi@omp.upv.es<br><br><br> El 10 jun 2025, a las 19:25, Roel Wieringa<br><roel@thevalueengineers.nl> escribió:<br><br> Folks,<br> I guess not all of us agree with this point of view:<br>https://med/<br>ium.com%2Fenrique-dans%2Fai-is-not-theft-the-uk-just-got-it-right-&da<br><br></blockquote></blockquote>ta=05%7C02%7Cfrank.lucassen%40bumastemra.nl%7C87bdfa87673f4a229<br>6c408d<br><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote>da86216d0%7C6accc9b8ae424bb284ce74c28a8468ad%7C1%7C0%7C6388<br>5186142847<br><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote>2427%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJFbXB0eU1hcGkiOnRydWUsIlYiOiI<br>wLjAuMDAw<br><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote>MCIsIlAiOiJXaW4zMiIsIkFOIjoiTWFpbCIsIldUIjoyfQ%3D%3D%7C0%7C%7C%<br>7C&sda<br><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote>ta=ajJDTpZpNPYJwbpXn2RCnibsh%2B9bCTeXt0bXfr3Pryo%3D&reserved=0<br><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">28850f4c80a3.<br> If we do not agree, what realistic alternative do we have?<br> --Roel<br> _______________________________________________<br> Allpartners.music360-beta mailing list<br> Allpartners.music360-beta@listserver.vu.nl<br><br>https://lis/<br>tserver.vu.nl%2Fmailman%2Flistinfo%2Fallpartners.music360-<br></blockquote></blockquote>beta&data=0<br><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote>5%7C02%7Cfrank.lucassen%40bumastemra.nl%7C87bdfa87673f4a2296c40<br>8dda86<br><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote>216d0%7C6accc9b8ae424bb284ce74c28a8468ad%7C1%7C0%7C63885186<br>1428490937<br><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote>%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJFbXB0eU1hcGkiOnRydWUsIlYiOiIwLjAu<br>MDAwMCIs<br><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote>IlAiOiJXaW4zMiIsIkFOIjoiTWFpbCIsIldUIjoyfQ%3D%3D%7C0%7C%7C%7C&s<br>data=H<br><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">vD1nCSgWgoVoIVivXPFF%2B%2FECs8lVE292VQsgs7lTro%3D&reserved=0<br><br><br></blockquote><br>_______________________________________________<br>Allpartners.music360-beta mailing list<br>Allpartners.music360-beta@listserver.vu.nl<br>https://list/<br>server.vu.nl%2Fmailman%2Flistinfo%2Fallpartners.music360-<br></blockquote>beta&data=05%<br><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote>7C02%7Cfrank.lucassen%40bumastemra.nl%7C87bdfa87673f4a2296c408d<br>da86216<br><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote>d0%7C6accc9b8ae424bb284ce74c28a8468ad%7C1%7C0%7C63885186142<br>8503406%7CU<br><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote>nknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJFbXB0eU1hcGkiOnRydWUsIlYiOiIwLjAuMDA<br>wMCIsIlAiO<br><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote>iJXaW4zMiIsIkFOIjoiTWFpbCIsIldUIjoyfQ%3D%3D%7C0%7C%7C%7C&sdata=<br>sETquhG<br><blockquote type="cite">vxgA7kx6oEHtf7dOEJypqtx03vDyIkgLVFLI%3D&reserved=0<br></blockquote>_______________________________________________<br>Allpartners.music360-beta mailing list<br>Allpartners.music360-beta@listserver.vu.nl<br>https://listserver.vu.nl/mailman/listinfo/allpartners.music360-beta<br></blockquote>_______________________________________________<br>Allpartners.music360-beta mailing list<br>Allpartners.music360-beta@listserver.vu.nl<br>https://listserver.vu.nl/mailman/listinfo/allpartners.music360-beta<br></div></div></blockquote></div><br></div></body></html>